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What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. <<<<<<< has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. Please either stop or> shape up. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. --Napoleon. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. No comments. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. So is Ziegler lying? It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! It was in the trailer or a TV spot. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? at the > ceremony/orgy. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). How? > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. Let him go! ", "They were nutcases. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. And Milich was expecting him. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. at the> ceremony/orgy. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. ">> "Victor what can I say. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? WebEyes Wide Shut. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." >>What else could he call it? : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. OT. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Mandy was not the same woman. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. 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